EDEN & PANDA

[[QS]~ToNic | Da Makaveli]

i accept ur apology but my point still stands.. you need to make post like that more clear, and im sure you can see where im coming from with that and why not just me but multiple members found that offensive.. it also confused me cause r3 was talkin bout edens debating qs an blah blah.. an then u said that an i was one of the ppl who was debating with eden so that made me feel thrown into it.

Anyways any1 notice how popular r sites bin lately? Theres a plus

[HeLL MewTwo [QS]4LiFe]

I'm not in favor of any of this bans

But It is you're website I can't change that but

I honestly Believe This Is just madness

Everyone is entitled to their opinions if they believe we are the worst clan in trial

well then so be it idgaf if they think we're bad because their opinions don't effect me at all

I believe [QS] Is The Best Clan that I every been in

I had been in r3 for 3 months and it felt different

Inclans were different, the people were different, and the rules were different

during my time in r3 I only felt boredom and this is my opinion

everyone has an opinion and it will either be the same or different

yes maybe they did go overboard but that was because star banned Exception for a reason that i believe is

not ban worthy

Instead of banning this people why don't we just ignore them. Simple as that and if someone who wants to join decides not to because someone said [QS] is bad well then oh well that person probably doesn't really belong because if he/she truly wants to join then they won't give a fuck what someone, who is not In the Clan, says

How can you ignore someone that fills your website with degrading and disrespectful comments about the clan that you just claimed you love so much?? I know I cant..and wont. At the least, there are rules here as a forums. Ignoring, will only tell others that it's ok for them to act the same way..Hence, a major degrading of the quality of this website.. ~Sneaky

[[QS]~ToNic | Da Makaveli]

its not as simple as that tho. If you let ppl do whatever with the site it will get out of control, over ran with spam hatred an bs.. an the forums wont be worth even going on anymore. Theres no reason for som1 to go on your clan site just to tell u that you are all retarded shitties.

R3 wouldve banned us on there site for doing wayy less.. ABSOLUTELY THEY WOULD HAVE NO DOUBT AT ALL!!!!! ~Sneaky an im not referring to the excep situation.. if you dont believe me have u or a non qs member go on there site an just start talkin insane shit (an not som1 who is friends with a bunch of r3 members).. they wont tolerate it an thats y i find them funny being hypocritical assholes.

Im not saying the banning didnt go out of hand.. im saying u cant just let ppl run over an do wat they want.

[[QS]~Wolfie|Eternal|Flowie]

I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from also.

[HeLL MewTwo [QS]4LiFe]

Ofc you can't but if they do start spamming well then a warning or ban (depends on the situation) will be appropriate

So what if they ban us from their website

We shouldn't do the same

Correct, however, if you consider what Eden did was spam, you seriously need to reconsider. It went much much further than simply spamming this site. ~Sneaky

[[QS]_ShaDo]

At this point, the only reason why i haven't left this clan is because of the people in it and how much i care about this clan. But i seriously don't like the direction we're going.

I feel that you sneaky haven't acknowledged any of my concerns on my last post and just posted "eden is banned til i say so and i will not let ppl say shit to qs on MY site."

Just remember this all started on a simple insult of being called "ignorant" and you supporting that ban. Had you have not supported this ban, the ripple of effects wouldn't have been this bad. BUUUTT since you dislike people insulting you so much on this site, i feel as if we even turned some of our allies against us. Even locke, cyndy, and others can't agree with these bans....

Like i said before, i'm not sure if your leader or doing this from "retirement", but since i won't leave qs, i'm am really debating on just stepping down on the "leader" title since it's loosing less and less meaning to it. If you want to call all the shots, then so be it, i feel as if i'm not leading this clan the way i want to right now anymore if i'm not being heard.

Shado, I first supported the ban because the person who banned him was the Site Admin. After looking into the matter, I made my final decision. You are leader, and I want you to continue being leader. I am the main Admin. These decisions were made on people who are not in QS. If they were QS members, I guarantee that you would have made the decisions on what to do with them. I will call the shots when I have too..on this website, but you also have that power too. This website contains members who are non-QS and you cannot do anything about them as a "Leader of QS... So, that leaves the site admins in control of issues like this.

[[QS]~Wolfie|Eternal|Flowie]

I agree with shado, sneaky you gave the leader job to shado, plain and simple. It should be his decision. I don't believe you trust shado to do his job since you start coming out of retirement to make so many decisions.

NOT PLAIN AND SIMPLE> I did not give Shado the Main Administrator job. Eden, Exception, and Panda are NOT QS members. As leader of QS, he is POWERLESS to do anything to them--He cant kick them out of QS, or warn them as members because they ARE NOT QS members..~Sneaky

[HeLL MewTwo [QS]4LiFe]

I also agree with shado

Just un ban everyone and lets act as if it never happened

[[QS] quiXoté~!!]

This is an interesting thread I have stumbled upon. I generally don't support the banning of people from sites, unless they are an actual threat to us. Regarding your view, Shado (and Wolfie), I think it needs to be decided between Leadership (whether that is only Leaders and Co-leaders, or Senate, as well) about Shado's and Sneaky's relationship to this clan. I agree that it can be confusing if Sneaky appears to outrank Shado with his Founder (or pseudo-retired Leader) rank. Sneaky, if you want to be an active part of Leadership, then I would imagine you would need to be an active presence here. If it is simply a once-a-month return that weakens Shado's ability to lead, that hinders the clan. This is my first post (and visit to the site) in quite some time, so I hope everything is going well, overall. I support whatever decision is made amongst Leadership.

PS - Congrats on HOF, Wolfie!

We are getting my role confused here..Shado is Leader of QS. I'm the Main WebSite Administrator and Creator, and I acted as the MainAdmin for this website regarding the issues at hand. The people who have been banned, are ALL non QS members.

[[QS]_ShaDo]

come back quixxx <3

[HeLL MewTwo [QS]4LiFe]

BABY COME COMEBACK

[`SNΞΔKY_[QS]]

Oct 20, 2011 18:16:36 GMT -5 [QS]~Wolfie|Eternal|Flowie said:

I agree with shado, sneaky you gave the leader job to shado, plain and simple. It should be his decision. I don't believe you trust shado to do his job since you start coming out of retirement to make so many decisions.

Quix maybe didnt have the op to read all of Edens stuff since it has been deleted from the website. Good to see you here btw Quix!

Wolfie and Shado, I am acting as Main Admin for the website..Not as leader. the decisions I have made are related to this website only. The people in question (Eden, Panda, Exception) are not members of QS. They are registered members of this website.

I will not change my stance regarding the type of behavior that was exibited on this site and the degrading of the clan I founded. It wont happen anymore, and I dont care who it is. Just because someone has a lot of fans or is special, doesn;t give them the right to degrade us, and be disrespectful to us here on this site.

for the life of me, I cannot understand why this is so difficult for some to comprehend, except for the fact that maybe it's because some of you are friends with those who have degraded us. That must be it, because I cannot find any other answers to your opinions.

Basically what I am hearing from some of you, is that you would have allowed what Eden was doing to continue on. Am I wrong?
If I am wrong, what in the hell would you have done if I were non existent??The message that some of you are sending me, is that you would of allowed Eden to continue to disrespect, degrade, name calling, and make fun of. (no I shouldn;t have to read past his words..They are HIS WORDS and they are flat out degrading)
You are essentially telling me that you would NOT have banned him. You would have ALLOWED HIM TO CONTINUE.

With that said, how do you think I am beginning to perceive your loyalty with QS, if in fact that is true?? Hence, my growing concern about the loyalty of a couple of my most trusted people in QS.

..

I find it interesting that the majority of those who are not in agreement with Eden's ban, are ALL active members on the R3 site. Some are friends... with those who have committed these acts of degradation and disrespect against QS.

So now, you must question your loyalty with QS, since there was no question that Eden and others totally disrespected and degraded the clan that YOU belong too.

Unfortunately, it sounds as if your loyalty for QS is getting put to the test, and you may find yourself having to pick sides. I wont change my stance on this issue, and I damn well wont allow ANYONE to disrespect and degrade QS... EVER. No matter who the person is, or if someone in QS is friends with them.

As a matter of fact, I wont even allow QS to disrespect others including R3 on this website. Unlike the immature and disrespectful leaders of R3 who join right in on their own website degrading and putting us down... It's really fucking sad tbh.

You guys need to make a choice I guess...and try to make that choice on your own... What your HEART TELLS YOU. Not me, Eden, Locke, whoever.

YOUR HEART.

Just know that I will continue to defend this clan. To have pride. to not take any bullshit and not tolerate those who disrespect me, my members, and our name on this website or anywhere else I happen to see some asshole degrading us.. I promise that if I have too, I will defend QS all by myself.

At the end of the day, you either are with me, or against me. and when I say "me" I mean both myself personally, AND QS.

I do not want to see you guys leave...But if you have too, then I cant stop you. Just know that the one thing that sets me far far apart from those other guys, is that you will NEVER EVER be disrespected by me no matter what you say or decide to do. I will NEVER call you or your decisions "ignorant". I may disagree, but I will never degrade.

That my friends, I can promise you.

Peace

ps. I have responded directly to Shado and others on their posts in red.

GOOD TO SEE QUIX HERE!!!

[[QS]_pickle]

Sneaky.


When you ban them, you give them credibility.

The ban is FEAR.

You accuse US of fear?

I accuse YOU.

Don't try to pin this on friendship. This is about us finding a balance.

I resent any accusation that we've lost sight of what is best for QS.

THEY DISRESPECT US.

Allow me to echo you for a second?

WHO THE FUCK CARES?

I apologize if I refuse to give wait to a bunch of nerd queer fuckers, I'd rather meet them on their turf and still kick the shit out've them.


~Drunk as fuck Pickle.

[[QS]_ShaDo]

aight, am a tad buzzed off dem shiner bocks and budweiser bottles. Gonna spend da night at my gf's house and hang with her most of da day cuz she keeps bothering me about it. I will read sneaky's last post soon enough on this issue, but rest assured, my philosophy is "if someone insults another, he/she doesn't deserve a ban.

I'll get more into detail when i'm sober tomorrow evening.

[[QS]~Hollow¬ø]

Sooo much reading..

[[QS]_pickle]

Oct 21, 2011 3:58:24 GMT -5 [QS]_ShaDo said:

aight, am a tad buzzed off dem shiner bocks and budweiser bottles. Gonna spend da night at my gf's house and hang with her most of da day cuz she keeps bothering me about it. I will read sneaky's last post soon enough on this issue, but rest assured, my philosophy is "if someone insults another, he/she doesn't deserve a ban.

I'll get more into detail when i'm sober tomorrow evening.

Sober tomorrow evening?

It's friday.

LET'S GET REAL.



EDIT: Shado you're such a fuckin bro it's insane. "Gonna spend the day with gf, she been bothering me about being nice to her or someshit, idk why" lol uismafavorite.

[`SNΞΔKY_[QS]]

how come you guys didn't tell me you were getting drunk last night?!?..Oh wait, that should have been a given lol.

It does bring the best out of some..Maybe tonight Sneaky gets loaded, goes on Xfire.

Just dont allow me to banhammer myfuckingself.

Like Pickle's "finding a balance..Like everything else, this will balance out, and eventually even blow over. In the meantime keep acting like the true gentlemen you are..At least my brothers show me respect, even when I drive them fuckinbananas..

Anyhow, I've been chatting with Cyndro throughout this whole ordeal. Will give you guys the R3 inside scoop on some things when we get through with our convo. Just shhh and dont say anything. I've got a very good relationship with him and would hate to fuck that up.. He really is a good guy tbh.

We need to rally for A epic Quix return..(notice how he appears when we are in chaos or trouble?..haha QS4life baby!

Oh and we need more Quix's around here..Not because he takes sides or anything or that I don't love what the rest of you have to say. It's simply because I enjoy reading his stuff. He's got a real head on his shoulders and can be a huge added benefit to this clan..Especially right now.

Shado drinking BuddyWiser? OHYES!

[[QS] quiXoté~!!]

Ah, I really appreciate the love coming from everyone. I am not ready for my return quite yet, but rest assured that I will return at some point...and still as [QS]. I have respect for everyone who has access to this thread. I typically try to remain neutral on intra-clan arguing, but I think the clarity of roles has been hazy for a while, Sneaky. Glad you helped clear that up regarding the independent roles of the main Administrator and Leader.

I hadn't realized that there were some serious issues going on, and of course this concerns me. I am wondering how I would have responded to Panda and Eden, myself, had I remained Site Manager. It is a difficult call, really. Ideally, no one wants to deal with trolls, but I do know that trolls who are focused on tend to outgrow the bridge they live under.

If Leadership as a whole (including Senate) is a bit stagnant, then perhaps a bit of a purge may be in order. If any members need to remain active, it must be those in Leadership. There should be a lower tolerance for inactivity.

One view that I have always maintained was the benefit of a small clan. Fewer arguments, close knit, high level of loyalty. I am also aware of the nature of the game, as it stands...and I imagine it has remained the same or got worse since my last time in the game. Big clans are the order of the day! Perhaps it is best that my prime was when smaller clans like my SmJ~!! still roamed along the fringes.

Perhaps there needs to be a renewed sense of togetherness and purpose. Leadership should lead the way.

Best of luck!

(Sorry Sneaky, most of this is off topic!)

[[QS]_pickle]

Lol Sneaky, I'm talking with Cyndro too.

[[QS]_ShaDo]

yea sober at the moment, will drink later doe


Anywhoreeee,

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

Basically what I am hearing from some of you, is that you would have allowed what Eden was doing to continue on. Am I wrong?

If you had allowed him to continue what he was doing he wouldn't make false threats to your site like he did today. If eden was allowed to continue on with what he was doing, nothing as dramatic would have happened if he wasn't banned. Then again, he wouldn't have gotten this "bad" if except wasn't banned. Before the exception ban, i remember you 2 were casually debating on good actors.

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

If I am wrong, what in the hell would you have done if I were non existent??

Nothing, because i wouldn't have supported the ban of exception but instead give star a slap on the wrist or possible demotion. This all wouldn't have happened if exception wasn't banned for something irrelevant to site rules. This was before you made the new rule of "no one can insult qs in my site".

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

The message that some of you are sending me, is that you would of allowed Eden to continue to disrespect, degrade, name calling, and make fun of. (no I shouldn;t have to read past his words..They are HIS WORDS and they are flat out degrading)
You are essentially telling me that you would NOT have banned him. You would have ALLOWED HIM TO CONTINUE.

I would have allowed him to continue after i unbanned exception then let them rant the injustice of excep's ban. I'm sure it would have been over and done with after they got their point across. Now that we have banned him and other r3's, it's apparent that this will obviously prolong longer.....

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

With that said, how do you think I am beginning to perceive your loyalty with QS, if in fact that is true?? Hence, my growing concern about the loyalty of a couple of my most trusted people in QS.

It's not true because i explained why i would not have banned anyone. I'm starting to get confused, because i know you made this site and claim it a "qs site" yet we have no say in anything when it comes to this issue. Even though we take care of the site whenever you disappear a couple of days/weeks/months.

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

I find it interesting that the majority of those who are not in agreement with Eden's ban, are ALL active members on the R3 site. Some are friends... with those who have committed these acts of degradation and disrespect against QS.

Again this all started for a admin being called "ignorant" and getting banned for it. Not surprised r3 is screaming injustice for eden getting banned also, even though he was more insulting than exception was.

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

So now, you must question your loyalty with QS, since there was no question that Eden and others totally disrespected and degraded the clan that YOU belong too.

Their entitled to their own opinions, even if it's in our site and even if they are insults. I know it won't affect my loyalty to my clan, however the way things are being handled on our side is making me question my spot as leader. Remember their rants all began to a ban that degraded ME and MY clan because sneaky was called ignorant.

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

As a matter of fact, I wont even allow QS to disrespect others including R3 on this website.

But it's ok to insult eden? Contradicting..

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

You guys need to make a choice I guess...and try to make that choice on your own... What your HEART TELLS YOU. Not me, Eden, Locke, whoever.

YOUR HEART.

I know you only speak for the good sneaky, but speeches like this are the reason star takes this qs clan shit seriously when he's off the computer... This is why i always feel like star needs to relax a bit and stop acting like we are in a monarchy.

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

Just know that I will continue to defend this clan. To have pride. to not take any bullshit and not tolerate those who disrespect me, my members, and our name on this website or anywhere else I happen to see some asshole degrading us.. I promise that if I have too, I will defend QS all by myself.

A quote that i love, "if you swallowed your pride, you would choke to death". Pride can be a good thing, but too much of it can isolate you or this clan.

Oct 20, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5 `SNΞΔKY_[QS] said:

I do not want to see you guys leave...But if you have too, then I cant stop you.

I just think this all went outta hand over a unnecessary ban. People like me, pickles, arrow, wolfie, yes even tonic, and many others believe that banning someone for calling you ignorant was uncalled for. It was a chain reaction to many events. We're taking this way outta hand at this point.. Like i said before, you did make this site, but we are the ones who took care of it when you were absent for days/weeks/months. I'm confused that you decided to not take in consideration what we have said and decided to take over all the admin decisions...

If QS is everyone as united as "ONE". Then why do you have full authority of site? If you decide to retire again, your gonna leave us the site like the last time. If someone calls sneaky ignorant, that person is insulting ME and my clan and deserves a ban? Even though they insulted many members on our site in the past they don't get banned until they insult the creator of this site?
Sorry but i decided to go trivial too =p.


Ok, so let's go through what i learned today:
I'm suppose to think if someone insults a qs member they deserve a ban because they're insulting me and my clan.

Phew, let me count the Star insults on here, because we're gonna have a whole lot of more bans then. /scarcasm


<3 you sneaky, always loved your influential speeches. But this has gone too far and i don't support dictatorship.