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Post by [QS]~ToNic | Da Makaveli on Oct 17, 2011 17:00:51 GMT -5
Im not gonna vote until I hear other peoples reactions.
*PLEASE if you are going to vote, reply and give a reason for your choice and IF YOU VOTE NO, Give who you think the new site mod should be and why. Star Id also like you to voice your opinion.
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Post by [QS]~Wolfie|Eternal|Flowie on Oct 17, 2011 17:12:19 GMT -5
I say no because countless times he has shown us his choices have become biast and he uses his powers the wrong way. His judgement calls have been bad and I think we have given him infinite chances to be mod, I think it shud be someone like hell or maybe yourself tonic, hell bc he has great judgement and he's pretty well liked, same with tonic.
Idk who else but ill think about it, till then I think star shudnt be mod anymore, if this was a coach and his own (team)clan has problems with him, he wud be kicked.
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Post by [QS]~ToNic | Da Makaveli on Oct 17, 2011 17:24:01 GMT -5
I see where your coming from wolfie but i truely believe neither me or hell would be able to take on the responsibilities as a site mod. My solution may be to get star a partner. That way they can balance eachother out on there decisions an itll make it harder for one to get out of line.
Besides that I don't no who, I think itd have to be someone who is extremely active on the site, some one who is responsible, fair and liked. I thought star was all those but I guess im wrong. Besides him the only person I can think of is who else then... wolfie. Theres a reason why hes one of the most liked members in the trial community, and 3,326 post/6.09 post per day is more then enough to prove his activeness on this site. He's mature, fair, an this would be a great start for him to slowly become more of a leadership role with qs and getting him the experience needed for the spot.
I think wolfie and star working together as site mod would be a great combination. Im sure you'd both care to differ, and thats one of the reasons I think it'd work.
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Post by [QS]~Wolfie|Eternal|Flowie on Oct 17, 2011 17:48:13 GMT -5
Hm. Interesting idea. Lemme see wut others say.
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Post by [QS]_pickle on Oct 17, 2011 19:39:28 GMT -5
Im not gonna vote until I hear other peoples reactions. *PLEASE if you are going to vote, reply and give a reason for your choice and IF YOU VOTE NO, Give who you think the new site mod should be and why. Star Id also like you to voice your opinion. Why are you refraining from voting until you hear everyone's opinions? Yours should be independent from theirs. Personally, I have not yet decided what the best solution is. What I do know is that SOMETHING has to be done. After the flac we've taken for this, some sort've change needs to be implemented. Stay tuned, I'd like to see Shado come back and catch up, and then a decision will be mad. This discussion is fine however, and I'm curious as to what everyone thinks. More to follow.
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Post by HeLL MewTwo [QS]4LiFe on Oct 17, 2011 23:25:29 GMT -5
I say no because countless times he has shown us his choices have become biast and he uses his powers the wrong way. His judgement calls have been bad and I think we have given him infinite chances to be mod, I think it shud be someone like hell or maybe yourself tonic, hell bc he has great judgement and he's PRETTY WELL liked, same with tonic. Idk who else but ill think about it, till then I think star shudnt be mod anymore, if this was a coach and his own (team)clan has problems with him, he wud be kicked. niggeh please everyone loves Me I Honestly Don't think anyone at this moment is capable of being a Mod and tbh star can get the job done but he makes mistakes(everyone does) and people can learn from their mistakes I mean really just take a look at the [QS]Rooster I Have yet to see anyone else who is capable of being a Mod Besides star and Some members that are already Admin We need someone with experience and knows what to do and how to do it If you're mod You're gonna have to know how to Ip check and everything which not everyone knows how to, let alone approve an account I believe in star and i know he can improve And so I believe he should continue to be our Mod
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Post by [QS]~ToNic | Da Makaveli on Oct 17, 2011 23:36:41 GMT -5
Im not gonna vote until I hear other peoples reactions. *PLEASE if you are going to vote, reply and give a reason for your choice and IF YOU VOTE NO, Give who you think the new site mod should be and why. Star Id also like you to voice your opinion. Why are you refraining from voting until you hear everyone's opinions? Yours should be independent from theirs. Personally, I have not yet decided what the best solution is. What I do know is that SOMETHING has to be done. After the flac we've taken for this, some sort've change needs to be implemented. Stay tuned, I'd like to see Shado come back and catch up, and then a decision will be mad. This discussion is fine however, and I'm curious as to what everyone thinks. More to follow. because like u said im curious to see what everyone thinks and I was gone for the weekend so I wanna make sure I understand exactly what happened before I make my decision. Kinda like when you vote for a president or a law, you dont wanna just vote for some random person, you wanna make sure you make the right decision .
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Post by [QS]_ShaDo on Oct 18, 2011 2:06:05 GMT -5
just came back from austin, fucking tired as fuck. I'll give my 2 cents about this tomorrow though.
Decided to post this just to let yall know this ain't being ignored. =p
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Post by [QS]_pickle on Oct 18, 2011 10:08:19 GMT -5
Tonic truth be told I'm abstaining from voting because my opinion isn't so cut and dried.
I think Star is a good WEBSITE MANAGER. I think Star is an ineffective and little-respect MODERATOR. And there we have the conflict. It's a subtle distinction. The behind-the-scenes management, he's very on-top of. The conflicts arise when it comes to the banhammer and well... interacting with members lol. He doesn't have the charisma to match his attitude.
But on the other hand I'd prefer not to have a weak-ass website manager with no drive either. -_-
Conflict conflict.
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Post by [QS]_Collin on Oct 18, 2011 14:06:49 GMT -5
I am going to say this one time and one time only. This is my view on things. It is how I operate. Just like any of you all, no one can change me or can anyone change you all.
I banned exception because we are a divine clan. In my eyes if some one calls Sneaky ignorant they are calling QS ignorant. Sneaky is QS he is the base of QS. Infact calling ANY member of QS, even if they joined seconds before some one calls them ignorant. YOu are calling QS in its own Ignorant.
I know this sounds weird and maybe a "Power Trip" But this is my belief, I can't and will not have this. I simply wont. If people do not like it then that is just tough shit. This is my opinion as the Administrator & dedicated member of this clan.
All these r3 members coming over here going ape shit really does not help. I have no hate or dislike for exception. I am gentle i do not like to hurt. But I will however come to an abrupt halt with my gental style when OUR QS family becomes an overlooked clan in the eyes of the misunderstood.
They attacked my blood family pretty hard in that thread. But i am keeping cool about this. I am not going to go all ape shit because of it. However the fact they do not know what QS is truly built on is why so many are freaking out. We are not r3 we do not want to be r3. We want to be our own UNIQUE style of a clan. So many feel I abused my powers. Yet so many know so little.
This is why I banned Exception.
This is the reason I am who I am.
This is my explanation.
This is the way I mod.
That's all I am going to say.
-Star
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Post by [QS]~Wolfie|Eternal|Flowie on Oct 18, 2011 14:45:25 GMT -5
Here's your flaws
1. When you call Sneaky ignorant, how in that in ANY way makes QS ignorant? Before I went inactive exception expressed to me that Sneaky doesn't run the clan right. When he called him ignorant, he meant how he talked and such not the clan... that makes no sense at all. Excep actually loves QS, and many of the people in it, it was a super tough decision and he was heartbroken to give up a high ranking just to go back to r3. He thinks SNEAKY is ignorant, not the clan, because that makes no sense.
2. How in the hell can you permanently ban excep? That's retarded... look at the word he used ffs "ignorant" I mean if he called sneaky a fucking dumbass who is retarded then maybe I would sort of understand but ignorant? Really? I've seem metra do 1000000000x things worse and have said SO much worse shit and after all he's done and said you fight me over letting him back in and yet you perm ban excep for 1 word? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU?
It sure as hell makes no sense to me.. and I don't like your judgement, I think like pickle has said: something has to be done.
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Post by [QS]~ToNic | Da Makaveli on Oct 18, 2011 15:32:30 GMT -5
arrow talked with me about how hed like to step up an take a important roll in this clan, what do you guys think about makin him stars equal as website manager?
My feelings r mutual. Hes a good leader type, hes pretty well liked but at the same time hes not afraid of ppl. I still think wolfie would be great for the job but being senate an website mod mite b a lil much for him at this time. My concern of arrow is that he hasnt been in qs long enough to understand qs to the fullest. He may try to run this clan to much like r3, however he is a great member an player so itd be foolish for us to not use him in a important roll sooner or later. Also I think him an star would be a good mix of ying and yang, however idk if theyd butt heads alot or not.
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Post by [QS]_Collin on Oct 18, 2011 15:38:17 GMT -5
Me and Arrow are really good buds. Me and him would be a perfect dual Site manager team. I think that would work really well.
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Post by [QS]~ToNic | Da Makaveli on Oct 18, 2011 15:43:41 GMT -5
I agree, I think arrow is one of the most mature ppl in the community and i no hes itchin for a role in this clan. So thats where my vote goes.
Yes but with arrow as his partner.
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Post by [QS]~Hollow¬ø on Oct 18, 2011 15:47:01 GMT -5
Agree with arrow and star being site mod.
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Post by `SNΞΔKY_[QS] on Oct 18, 2011 16:27:19 GMT -5
I know it's long, but it's important. Please take the time to read it all. Thanks!
Before continuing to vote, let me a couple things clear.
1. Star is Website Administrator. 2. He was appointed by me. 3. I am the creator of this website and the main Administrator. 4. He will continue as is, until I decide otherwise.
It's not a "rank" within the clan...I have made this decision as the main Administrator and creator of this website. Not as the founder or leader / ex leader of QS.
ANYHOW,
QS has had some very epic moments occur over the years...My guess is that this will rate as one of those moments when we look back at it. Like everything else, it will eventually blow over, and i am 110% confident that we will come out of it much more powerful than we were.
Lets take a look at what has come out of this whole ordeal.
and let me say also that this whole thing really has to do with STAR...Not Exception.
Here's whats going to happen.
1. Star will continue to be Site Admin until I decide otherwise regardless of vote results. I will continue to listen and take into consideration of of your concerns, but as of right now nothing will change.
2. As the Administrator, I will over rule Stars decision to perma ban Exception. His ban will continue, however, it will not be a "perma" ban. A date will be set for when he can have access again. I am thinking very soon. This message will be announced by me, and me only. Once Exception is allowed to gain access, he will be immediatelty warned to not go off on a fucking nut. If he does, I will ban him myself--and it will most likely be for good....If any of you want to give him a heads up about this, you may do so after I make the announcement. If he has anything to say to or about Star, he needs to say it to Star and Star only. Same goes with general comments about me, or QS. We already have Eden's bullshit wirh doing everything he can to make himself look Godly, and us look like shit. (but it's energy for QS and positive or negative doesnt matter right now so I allow Eden to enjoy access here)
3. I want you as leaders of this clan to work together in trying to support Star. For those who cannot find themselves being able to do so, I don't have a problem with that. Just stay chill.
What Star has done is brought massive amounts of attention to QS... He has fired up this clan, and many non-members of QS alike. It's huge... Eden and many others have gone fucking berserk and I lol at that because as long as they stay insane, nothing will change here...Poor kid has yet to propose any ideas whatsoever.. He just grandstands, and that's it. It's all about Eden, and because of him and Star's banning, this website has never seen so much traffic!
Negative or positive...IT DOESNT MATTER.
Star has singlehandedly woke this community right the fuck up. What he has done, has created energy like we have not seen for a long time. AGAIN, positive or negative is not the issue here.
In addition, whether you think it to be right or wrong, he, in his mind, simply defended me and this clan. Bottom line is that HE FUCKING CARES. Does anyone else care about me and QS like Star does?? Seriously? and if you do, would you have the FUCKING BALLS to make a decision that has these consequences!?! [/b]
and if you did, would you like to be punished for that??
I should not have to remind you all that we are human.
The voting poll should be more about how we can take advantage of this opportunity to strengthen this clan and it's people. What can we do to take all this energy and somehow transform into positive!?!
Look, you have to admit that what Star has done has also brought us closer as a team..The closest people ever get when they are together, is when they fuck.. and when they fight.
I'd say in that case, we are all pretty damn close right about now eh?
So, lets focus on QS instead of trying to take things away or trying to tear something down...Turn this shit upside down, and start focusing on HELPING EACH OTHER. The end result will be even more strength, power, and QS will easily continue to SURVIVE. Ideas on helping each other is what I want to see. Not polls about how we should we tear our brothers down! Lets try to turn the table on this, and use all this power that Star has given to QS and use it to our advantage...
There is one thing that NONE of you can disagree with...Over the last week, Star has now become a very very powerful individual. His decision to ban Exception for calling me ignorant has put a spotlight on him and QS, that is about as fucking bright as it gets..POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE DOESN'T MATTER RIGHT NOW..TRUST ME.
Lets do everything we can to be there for each other, to HELP each other, to HELP a member of our QS brotherhood like we would want to be helped ourselves.. Let us not tear each other down, but instead help each other up.
I am a part of this brotherhood, QS Star is part of this brotherhood.. and so are you.
Thank you all for listening to me. Agree or disagree well that's fine. Just remind yourself that you belong to a very important part of QS. .It's leadership. I have put my faith and trust into all of you. Make sure you do the right thing for QS. The right thing for Star, and the right thing for yourself. There are a shit load of people who rely on you.
<3 u guys. I couldn't ask for a better bunch of leaders for this amazing and incredible clan.
peace
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Post by [QS]~ToNic | Da Makaveli on Oct 18, 2011 16:39:52 GMT -5
i agree a lot with you sneaky. When i was debating with eden an reading him saying "r3 dont have drama like this". Itd made me think. The reason why qs members butt heads so much is because we have alot of members that care alot about this clan, and wont take the sarcasm, trash talking an bs. However we have a lot of members who dont take this clan seriously or care about the direction it goes. An when there is such a big mixture of people like this, your destined to butt heads occasionally. QS has members tryin to take this clan to the next level, we have members who r truly dedicated to this clan.
Now I look at r3. Dedication has never been there issue, but i cant say by viewing xfire, halo, and there site that I see ppl who truly care about the position there clan is an taking it to the next level, they just let eden an everyone do the fuck they want to. Some of you will differ but thats what I see from my point of view. I haven't seen r3 in such a bad position in quite some time, just look at how many recruits they've had in the last month.
QS is strong and the more we stick together and work harder, the stronger were gonna be and the better were gonna be. I honestly feel at this moment that no clan is set up to last longer then qs.
P.S Sneaky I still feel that making arrow a site mod would be a good idea, however I understand why you wouldn't want that do to lack of knowing arrow like you no star. Arrow isnt a qs original an hasn't been around forever so it might make it hard for you to trust him.
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Post by `SNΞΔKY_[QS] on Oct 18, 2011 17:05:25 GMT -5
well like I said, Star will continue to be site mod. Arrow's future with QS is tough to determine at this point, however, he will likely move up in ranks pretty quickly if he eventually exhibits true loyalty to QS..Which takes time.
My goal is to help Star, and encourage you all to do so too. He just had a shit load of power land in his lap, and he will need help dealing with it all. FFS he inspired EDEN out of all people to literally go off a the biggest fucking tangent I have seen in a very very long ass time. To me it's incredible, and mind boggling.
Thanks for your reply and support Tonic. Some good stuff right there bro <3<3<3 (sum triple love for Tonic)
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Post by [QS]_ShaDo on Oct 18, 2011 20:38:07 GMT -5
I think Star is a good WEBSITE MANAGER. I think Star is an ineffective and little-respect MODERATOR. And there we have the conflict. It's a subtle distinction. The behind-the-scenes management, he's very on-top of. The conflicts arise when it comes to the banhammer and well... interacting with members lol. He doesn't have the charisma to match his attitude. Pretty much took the words outta my mouth. That's real talk pickleeezz <3 To be perfectly honest, the only criticism he gets from everyone is his banning and locking techniques. If he wasn't able to do any of that, he'd be perfect for this position as site manager rather than site mod. My only solution, make star site manager and have arrow give a crack at site mod/maybe web mgr too. This is only if arrow is interested. If not, then i can't accept star being site admin. Sorry star/sneaky, but i'm only getting deja vu with all these complaints about star. It's happened in the past, i've gotten soo many "things will be different, star will change" in the past that i can't accept this again...This isn't a dictatorship where we can't call someone "ignorant" then get a ban for it. If i called the president of the united starts a asshole through in front of a police officer, it's not like i will be arrested for it. You've done so much for this clan influentially,leadership wise and in regards to website managing. But i don't think you should take everything so offensively when someone disrespects in a internet site. I don't want this clan to be a dictatorship. You and star are making it seem that way by banning people who insult you. People like ozarka, exception,shoxxz and many others. You made this site, your the founder of this clan, but this shouldn't justify banning if someone insults on these forums. One good example was when ozarka was just trolling around and got banned, kicked, from qs all because he insulted you. You were retired at the time decided to kick and ban him from qs. I feel as if i will have problems leading this clan in the future if your gonna be in charge of who gets what site position even though i'm not sure if this is a dual leadership or you just deciding this because you made this site. I mean some qs members people will agree with pickle including me when he said that star is a really efficient web manager, but not when it comes to moderator. If your saying "i'm free for advice but only i'm in charge of star's position and excep's banning" then we'd obviously might have a problem.=/ Do i agree star cares about this clan? Fuck yea i do. Can he mod this site? No. Sorry i'm being soo blunt about this star and sneaky but i think times like these i shouldn't hold back on my opinion. This clan/site was all made by you, and you will be forever credited for it. Hell your name is everywhere in this site lol. But i don't think you should force people to appreciate you by getting dictator-like when someone insults you on your own site. Site rules that are ban-worthy in my eyes: No links relating to doss or viruses No personal information shared without the consent of the person. [meaning fb, email, address,you catch ma drift] Continuous off topic posts Shared accounts Fake accounts And many moreee But insulting a mod or maker of this site? This has to stop, i was upset about the ozarka ordeal but this pretty much drew the line. Everyone knows what you did for this clan sneaky, and for the people who are knew to trial will eventually know too even when your not on forums anymore. Just think there's a certain line to draw when your basically semi retired and going out of your way ban or support banning/kicking when someone insults you on here.
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Post by [QS]~Wolfie|Eternal|Flowie on Oct 18, 2011 23:18:21 GMT -5
There's no way in hell I could have said it better than you did shado <3
Great points, I agree with everything you said. Star is great behind the scenes and banning ips but when it comes to judgement and decisions to ban someone or not, star isn't your guy.
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