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Post by ♫♣Johnmusic♣ on Jun 19, 2011 12:23:54 GMT -5
I think America should bomb kentucky get rid of hypnos and shogun
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Post by [SQ] Alc on Jun 19, 2011 21:02:26 GMT -5
Wow, you hold a grudge. Is it really that boring in the UK? Because I know several UK people that aren't like you, so I guess it is just you?
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Post by [QS]_pickle on Jun 20, 2011 10:17:22 GMT -5
Toasty's explanations confuse the shit out've me I certainly didn't hack the noobfucks acc.
Maybe would make moar sense if he weren't dark chocolate? Am not sure.
Either way dropping the bombs was a gud solution and I'll explain why if you guys want. I wrote a 3 page essay on this years ago lemme try to find.
Check my skills. 97% on this.
EDIT: Writing was shit I was frosh don't judge me.
With the exception of WWI, never in the history of the world has there been an international conflict with a level of total warfare even close to the level seen in WWII. The concept of an innocent bystander disappeared. In every country involved, whether it is an Axis or Allied power, the civilian population was completely immersed in the war effort. Therefore, taking the gravity and totality of this war into consideration, it is clear that America’s use of atomic weaponry to end the Pacific war is justifiable, and in its role in bringing a swift end to the war, somewhat merciful. Although pushed all the way back to mainland Japan by 1945, the Japanese people and militarists were more than willing to continue fighting. The atomic bombs were used in order to avoid further death from what would be a terrible invasion, which surely is a good enough cause to condone their use.
For President Truman, the decision to use the Atomic bomb was the only logical response to the situation in which he came to office. Although pushed back to Japan, the five million Japanese troops in China and millions more boys and grandfathers on the actual island nation were ready to defend their homeland to the last man, following a traditional Japanese code of honor in which it is shameful to surrender or be taken prisoner. Although some moderates in the government attempted to negotiate surrender, control was primarily in the hands of Japanese militarists who had no intention of giving up. This is clearly shown in their use of “kamikaze” suicide bombers and other such tactics. Because the U.S. military would therefore have had to fight its way mile by mile into Tokyo and then into China to liberate Manchuria, the death tolls for this last portion of the war would have been massive. Furthermore, Japanese crop failure and a lack of resources was driving many of the civilians and soldiers towards starvation, and an invasion of Japan would have effectively guaranteed food shortage for the people of Japan, and deaths approaching two million by one estimate, in civilians alone. The total number of American and Japanese lives that would be lost by an invasion could conservatively be estimated at ten million.
In contrast, the speedy surrender brought on by the use of Little Boy on Hiroshima and Fat Man on Nagasaki was a benign one, with comparatively few casualties; only about two hundred thousand. Truman alerted the Japanese to the fact that the U.S. possessed weapons of mass destruction, and gave them time to surrender unconditionally, which they did not. The only viable solution was to target a densely populated industrial center and use the bomb, in an attempt to scar the Japanese psyche to the point of numbness, so that surrender seemed the only option.
Also, use of the bomb had a number of beneficial secondary effects. Following the war, the deep psychological scar left by the bomb and the war contributed to making Japan one of the nations most supportive of peace, and its complete demilitarization. Being the first country to create the A-bomb, neither the U.S. nor competing nations such as Russia had any idea what the bomb was capable of. Clearly, this demonstration of the destructive power of atomic weaponry was powerful enough to prevent future conflict, as the threat of mutual destruction has kept any nation from using atomics since WWII. Finally, with tensions with Russia running high post-war, this was a very simple way to indirectly threaten the U.S.S.R by displaying the offensive capabilities of the United States. Furthermore, by bombing both Hiroshima and Nagasaki the U.S. left the Soviets unsure of how many atomics American actually had, further inspiring fear. Combined, these secondary benefits alone are powerful enough to justify the use of atomics on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Although the bombs dropped on Japan created a wide swath of destruction and death, the avoidance of even more painful losses outweighs the harsh costs. An invasion of the Japanese mainland had to be averted to protect millions of American and Japanese lives, leaving President Truman with only one choice that made any logical sense. The proud Japanese people were not going to surrender, and only the awe inspiring terror of atomic annihilation was enough to convince them to end the war efficiently. Indisputably, President Truman made a justified and intelligent decision in dropping atomic bombs on both cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Post by [SQ] Alc on Jun 21, 2011 0:30:43 GMT -5
i love me some pickle reports. copy pasted, gonna get dat A+
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Post by exception on Jun 21, 2011 1:27:27 GMT -5
Wow, you hold a grudge. Is it really that boring in the UK? Because I know several UK people that aren't like you, so I guess it is just you? Republic of ireland is not part of the UK nice homeschooling
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Post by ®³¥Ø¬Boat on Jun 21, 2011 5:20:10 GMT -5
Real reason:
During the Yalta Conference, Truman and Stalin made an agreement that the USSR would support the US on the Eastern front (Japan) 3 months after the war in Europe ended (which was in May 1945) It was approaching the 3 month deadline and the US decided that it needed to end the war with Japan before the Soviet Union became involved, since the Soviet Union would undoubtedly want a piece of Japan when all was said and done (much like East Germany) and the last thing the US wanted was another communist state.
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Post by [QS]_pickle on Jun 21, 2011 8:52:10 GMT -5
Real reason: During the Yalta Conference, Truman and Stalin made an agreement that the USSR would support the US on the Eastern front (Japan) 3 months after the war in Europe ended (which was in May 1945) It was approaching the 3 month deadline and the US decided that it needed to end the war with Japan before the Soviet Union became involved, since the Soviet Union would undoubtedly want a piece of Japan when all was said and done (much like East Germany) and the last thing the US wanted was another communist state. Ohhh completely forgot about dis. True story. Charles knows his USH.
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Post by Toasty_[SWAG]™ on Jun 21, 2011 11:38:49 GMT -5
Copy&Paste More.
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Post by [QS]² skruffinator on Jun 21, 2011 12:34:23 GMT -5
Pickle, I want to know what you did wrong to get a 97 instead of a 100 on that essay.
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Post by [QS]_pickle on Jun 21, 2011 15:36:40 GMT -5
My writing was shit as you can see.
And it was an AP class with a dinosaur teacher who hadn't seen the light of day in 30 years. And was bitter and graded like a bitch.
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Post by Manuit~[QS] on Jun 21, 2011 15:46:21 GMT -5
My writing was shit as you can see. And it was an AP class with a dinosaur teacher who hadn't seen the light of day in 30 years. And was bitter and graded like a bitch. A nice teacher
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Post by [QS]²iTaterTot on Jun 22, 2011 14:01:30 GMT -5
I think America should bomb kentucky get rid of hypnos and shogun lol@irrelevance
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Post by [QS] Bmac on Jun 23, 2011 17:29:41 GMT -5
Stupid no one deserves to get nuked, Military intelligence still to words that cant make sense
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Post by [QS]_pickle on Jun 23, 2011 22:18:18 GMT -5
Stupid no one deserves to get nuked, Military intelligence still to words that cant make sense It's not about deserving to get nuked. But the hundreds of thousands of soldiers that would've been lost invading tokyo/manchuria didn't deserve to die either when we could end the war moar easily.
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Post by Manuit~[QS] on Jun 23, 2011 22:29:56 GMT -5
In other word It Is What It Is
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